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DIY Gear indicator

Post by Tarwetijger » Sun May 03, 2009 6:19 pm

I promised to write something about the gear indicator I made myself for my YZF, which is on the TRX right now. Unfortunately I don't have the electrical diagram anymore, but someone who is just a little into electrotechnics (and soldering) should be able to make one.

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The type of gear indicator that you can buy anywhere, calculates the gear from the revs and the speed. This requires some fiddling to start with and it doesn't work when you have the clutch in. For some bikes, the TRX being one of them, this can be done much easier and better.
The neutral switch is a small disc that makes a connection when the gearbox is in neutral. Every gear has a different position on this disc. So if you make more connections, one for every gear, you can actually measure in which gear the gearbox is in.
The pictures below show the original TRX neutral switch, with one connection. The wear track indicates where the other gears are located.

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You can make the neccessary connections yourself, if you have the courage to drill in the neutral switch. Small nails can be used to make the connections. This looks like this.

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There are also neutral switches that already have all the connections. Coincidently my YZF had one like that.

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The neutral switch of the YZF and the TRX are exactly the same. My TRX has a sensor with connections for 6 gears... It took some time but I found a part number of this switch: 4TX-82540-40 (from a TDM, '96 and later), but it's not cheap, almost 100 euros.

The neutral switch is located behind the front sprocket. In fact it is a switch that makes a connection to 'ground' / - and makes the neutral indicator lamp to light up. To show the gears there is a 7-segment digit display needed, which is nothing more then 7 horizontal and vertical orientated LED's. Each gear has a connection from the neutral switch to the display. Realise that when the bikes is in neutral and the "0" is lighted, the 0 is formed with 6 segments. With the "1" only two segments are lighted. Etc. A diode is needed for each gear and each digit segment. So, that is a load of diodes. Besides that, 7 resistors are needed to limit the current trough to all segments of the display. The resistor also determines the brightness of the display. Unfortunately, I don't have an electrical diagram anymore. The only thing I have is this photo where the diagram is vaguely visible. What I do know is that the display has to be of the type with a common anode.

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When you solder this together in the right way, you get this:

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Then you have to find a place on your bike to put this box of course. Besides the neutral switch and the display, it is connected to +, preferably one that switches on and off with the ignition key.
It took some time to get it there, but the display is nicely fitted between the speedo and rev counter.
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Because this trick works for several bikes, there are different descriptions on the net. Some people used IC's (microchips) in stead of the diodes, but I am not into that kind of stuff.
See for an example here (in German, sorry, but there is a diagram):
http://www.alpentourer.de/shop/ganganze ... zeige.html

There is hope for the lazy ones, there are gear indicators for sale that work with the same principle, see http://www.ledgear.co.uk.

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I translated this from Dutch, please let me know if phrases could be improved or clarified.

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Re: DIY Gear indicator

Post by Killerwhale » Sun May 03, 2009 7:10 pm

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Re: DIY Gear indicator

Post by G Beale » Sun May 03, 2009 7:11 pm

Fantastic ! I love stuff like this. 8) I was following nicely right up to the picture with loads of fiddly bits in it now my head hurts. :scratch: :oops:
Translation is probably better than most of us could have typed it straight off too ! :lol:
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Re: DIY Gear indicator

Post by Tarwetijger » Sat May 16, 2009 8:33 pm

My brother found a copy of the diagram!

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The bunch of diodes can be very small (2x2x2 cm) when you're handy enough.
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Re: DIY Gear indicator

Post by JW-TRX » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:06 pm

=D> Nice one!!! Really cool! This is really simple. I'm going to build myself one. :D
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Re: DIY Gear indicator

Post by JW-TRX » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:10 am

I had a look at it...Looks like more of a mission that what I initially thought.The electronics is mickey mouse, but to get to the switch you have to not only remove the front sprocket cover but also the side covers, sprocket and the transmission output shaft retainer plate. It this correct?

And your right, R1000 for the neutral switch! :shock:
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Re: DIY Gear indicator

Post by Tarwetijger » Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:06 am

I see the pics are not working anymore. Stupid hosting sites. :evil:
Will check if I still have them.
JW-TRX wrote:I had a look at it...Looks like more of a mission that what I initially thought.The electronics is mickey mouse, but to get to the switch you have to not only remove the front sprocket cover but also the side covers, sprocket and the transmission output shaft retainer plate. It this correct?

And your right, R1000 for the neutral switch! :shock:
Sorry, almost 5 years later :oops: but yes, it requires some fiddling to reach the neutral switch.

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Re: DIY Gear indicator

Post by dixonj » Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:12 am

Is this what the switch looks like
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Took it out of an import motor

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Re: DIY Gear indicator

Post by dandywarhol » Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:47 am

It is - and from memory, the extra wires feed to the ignitor box - there was a question posted yesterday about ignition retarding in lower gears. This switch appears to pick up on all gears, including neutral which could be the rectangular contact

The reason I say from memory is when I put a TRX engine into my old TDM yonks ago I had to use the TDM neutral switch.....................brain cells fading fast :cry:

PS - just read this....... viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10095&p=102937#p102937
1996 TRX 850, blue, Ohlins 46HRCLS, Race Tech Gold Valves, 0.90 springs, Venom pipes, R6 brakes............
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